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Joined: Feb 07,
On 2002-03-10 20:40, Venexxa of ixga.com
ixga.com will no longer allow posts relating in
anyway to bots/hacks/Third Party prorams.
includes ALL such programs.
All the bots.
and yes the auto cure and last point programs as
We will treat all posts related to this topic
They will immediatly be deleted upon
So please do not create posts regarding
these subjects they will be removed.
anyone posting links to hacks will instantly be banned from
Those posting information on thier
use or ways to find them will also be banned.
On 2002-03-10 20:40, mephisto_se of
Ok, this has to end.
will hereby take a stand towards hacks made upon Ragnarök
This means that we cant favor chosen persons,
but EVERY program that is changing the original exe-file
provided by Gravity, will be treated as a hack.
posts and threads regarding all hacks and cracks will be
removed. If you feel that there is valuable information in
these posts I advise you to get that information now.
everyone posting any links or information regarding
these hacks will be banned instantly.
I will remove
everything in about 20 minutes.
On 2002-03-10 21:38, Sasami wrote:
*sigh* my last 2 days:
I post my final goodbye and
delete all ragnarok related content off my computer so i am
not tempted to go back because I am so disgusted at the
community and people.
I go and look at my site and
decide to fix it up a little and leave it up.
completly shut myself off and ask noone else to ask me for
help with the exp viewer and that It will stay how it is and
others can help them if they need it.
RO bot gets
released and causes havok over the server and community.
The next day I wake up to find 10 emails in my box
asking me to help fix the problem, I come to pak0, like
always, to find out the latest news and what they are
talking about, sure enough, there is a 10 page thread over
I learn the problem, FINALLY get the source code
after a few hours of asking, and start cracking on it so
that people will no longer get DOS attacks, and in the hope
I can create something to detect bot users and give it to
I learn I can no longer distribute it, nor
any other useful program I make for RO here, so I just
wasted all the time I spent in research to fix the DOS
attack (i had to reinstall RO too).
I go and save
the 20 page thread over my exp viewer.
watashiwa left, this became the largest RO site, and I've
appreciated it alot, but everything must end sometime,
sooner or later everything comes crashing down and gets
corrupted, the good guys loes, the bad guys/lamers win, I
On 2002-03-10 21:41, mephisto_se wrote:
We have to draw the line somewhere.
Either we have
all hacks/cracks/mods or we have none...we choose none.
On 2002-03-10 23:57, mephisto_se wrote:
I thought I explained this matter quite well...Ill make
another go at it.
We have to be intolerant to ALL
none-gravity patches/fixes/whatever, it doesnt really matter
if its a hack on the exe or just a program that reads of the
We cant say that this is good, and that
is bad, we cant post sasamis exp-viewer and delete arsenics.
I agree that some of these "hacks" are good, I
actually used sasamis expviewer some patches ago, but we
have to distance ourselfs from it completely.
stop whining about this, we have to make this stand or
everything will just go down the drain.
One of those
who gets affected by this is sasami, but as she said, shes
leaving, so no harm done there.
The others are the
users, but I am sure that you will find a way to
get/distribute your external programs.
pak0 will be
a forum where you can get useful information about the game
and the gameplay, and where you can talk with people about
the game and its gameplay....it will not be a forum where
you can find out how to cheat, or just get a unfair
advantage to other players.
I think the most of you
agree with me on this one.
screamed when reading this topic. There isn't much that can hurt me
in this way, you can flame me, insult my future children and call me
the bastard son of a donkey, and I won't care. But this drives me to
the utter brink:
One of those who gets affected by this is
sasami, but as she said, shes leaving, so no harm done
done?! NO HARM DONE?!
YOU HAVE MADE HOURS OF HER TIME
CREATING SOMETHING THAT YOU YOURSELF USED COMPLETELY WORTHLESS!! AND
THEN YOU HAVE THE GALL TO SAY SHE HERSELF IS WORTHLESS!!
Contrary to popular belief, there are people out there who
DON'T share your opinions, and your beliefs. Are these people to be
ignored for the 'good' of the majority? Should they be tossed in a
back corner and ignored because something they have created isn't
'accepted' or 'official?' I agree that any and all programs should
be certified by Gravity to make sure that their coding and usage
doesn't affect other people's enjoyment of the game, but to tell
everyone who has a viewpoint that includes using hacks to STFU and
get the hell out is just WRONG.
On 2002-03-11 00:43, limesmj wrote:
Hypocrisy. Security by obscurity never worked and never
will. Just look at Microsoft and their policy on releasing
OS's that are riddled with holes and exploits - only to fix
them on a need to know basis (i.e. someone finds a hack and
then they rush to patch it). In RO's case who cares - it's a
These discussions about what's right and
what's wrong about cheats and 3rd party software JUST add to
the flavor of the BETA software. In fact, isn't THIS the
time to beat up the software, find the exploits, and discuss
possible fixes? Let me make it clear however that this
discussion extends far beyond RO... now we are talking about
the morality of hacking.
In essence I am a firm
believer that a hacker should not be punished for finding a
bug in software. It is only when the hacker uses this
unreported bug to their advantage that prosecution should
ensue... whether it be RO or any other software.
Unfortunately you can't stop hackers or cheaters. They are
everywhere and there is only one thing to do - prepare for
it. Simple as that. Yeah, you kill all the threads regarding
cheats and such but doesn't that mean you have to delete
this thread as well? Hmmm?
I know I may get banned
from pak0 for these comments but I strongly disagree with
this new policy on keeping hacks and other exploits like
this on the down low. To me it just doesn't make sense. The
software is being tested right now and if something goes
wrong it SHOULD be reported - regardless of the
ramifications it may have. To say that it's all or nothing
is way too extreme in my opinion.
You may argue that
this "community" is breaking apart and that RO is being
compromised by talking about topics such as these... yet,
you neglected to note that RO (just like everything else in
this world) has its ups and downs. You can't expect to
create a forum that encompasses just the good aspects of RO
- to me that is more along the lines of cutting up the RO
community deeper rather than bringing it together by
providing a false sense of the game. Just think... today it
was the disconnect bug... tomorrow someone might release a
trainer that installs a trojan that gives up secure info via
the client software (who knows, there already might be one).
The solution? As I said before, just keep the
threads up and embrace the fact that people who frequent the
thread do in fact try and help out sometimes... of course
you'll get the flame-wars and the rants but look at every
single other forum out there on the Internet. Covering up
the problem ain't gonna fix it and for a site that is trying
to proport itself to be premier RO site with full game
coverage... well, you can't expect all the news to be good.
Come people... I know I don't participate much in
these forums but I do read them everyday for the goings-on
in RO. This is a game and I for one am very happy to play it
- despite the setbacks. Let's keep it real and play on. Just
don't try to press Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left,
Right, B, A to cheat (I did already... doesn't work.)
Just as an aside... in spite of my comments and
suggestions I honestly can say that this site is one of the
best (if not the best) out there. For one thing, I don't
know of any site that offers the patches faster )
ranted on this before at http://roforums.dhs.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=6727&forum=1&16,
so I'll spare you the details of my viewpoint on third party
programs. They should be checked by Gravity for possible bugs that
will destabilize their servers and thus hurt other people's
enjoyment of the game. But this isn't a rant on third party
programs. This is my last stand.
On 2002-03-11 16:00 Jaymz wrote:
there, I'd like to stand up for my right to use illegal
hacks to gain more exp (because I'm a lazy prick), and my
right to boot everyone around me off the server on my whim.
I'd also like to stand up for my right to use BNetD
to illegally warez and play Warcraft III-oh.. right, I
forgot I was living in the real world, here.
that some hack or cheat saves you the hassle of hitting a
function key every once in a while is like saying aimbots
for Quake III remove the hassle of having to wave the mouse
around, and physically point your gun at your foes.
It's a cheat, it ruins gameplay, and quite frankly,
if you have to resort to [stuff] like that, you might as
well go back to typing 'IDDQD' in DOOM.
This is the
internet, buddy. You don't have the right to free speech on
here, in fact.. whatever rights you do have on this board
have been graciously lent to you by the guys who run this
site. If you don't like the rules, go leap off a bridge.
Quit thinking that just because you're a yank, that certain
freedoms are taken for granted - they're not. Especially in
the world of hacking and cracking.
none of my freedoms for granted. I know that they have been bought
with the blood of heroes - heroes of the French Revolutionary War,
heroes of the American Revolutionary War, heroes of the Civil War,
heroes of World Wars I and II (and III), heroes of the Vietnam war,
heroes of the Afghanistan war, and heroes still buried in the World
I will willingly join these people in fighting for
freedom, I'll fight it in our courtrooms, scream it from the
rooftops, and shed blood for it should my country ask it of me.
I am woefully inadequate to compare myself to any of the heroes
I've listed, but I will still fight. If the battle moves to the
internet, I'll fight for it there.
So this is my civil
This is a filter. It allows you to actually play the game
should you happen to come near someone inadvertently or purposely
crashing your game with the so-called gender hack. All that it does
is replace any genders that are not 00 or 01 (male or female) in
your memory with 01 – giving these non-genders a gender. I’ve
already sent a copy of it to Gravity, and they will tell me if it
causes any server side issues. (which it shouldn’t – it doesn’t
send, block, or change any packets going to their servers)
Without this, many of you will be unable to even log on at
the moment, and will find yourself kicked should some
immature/ignorant idiot be using the hacked out bot.
On 2002-03-11 13:38, mephisto_se said:
Please stop whining about this, Im not gonna change my
mind because 10 people out of >3000k doesnt like my way
to handle things.
probably get banned for promoting this on this site, and I don’t
care – if my or anyone’s opinions aren’t as valid as someone who
happens to be in disagreement, then I refuse to post them here, so
these will be my final words here. Please do not delete them,
because I will create new usernames and use different ip addresses
to repost them. You can contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org
or at RagnarokPlus.cjb.net or RagnarokSource.com.
want to pursue happiness from the game, so be it. If you want to
pursue happiness from the creation of cheats, do it, but do not use
them to infringe on everyone else’s rights to a fair game. If you
wish to pursue happiness by creating tweaks that do not infringe on
another’s enjoyment of this game, do it, and send get them to
Gravity, so we all can enjoy them also.
[ This Message was edited by: Insante on 2002-03-11 19:15
Joined: Feb 16,
ya know your
starting to post more here then at your own site hehe.
Joined: Feb 08,
From: Sector 7,
Theres not a word here that I dont agree with, its a shame
a: this will probably get deleted
2: some pre-teen will flame on at him with alot of " F*ck's
and Sh*t's "
You know where to find me Insante.
fight the power, ctrl - ..~!
edit: whens RO+ coming
"We you think you have what it
takes to be a Dwarfer"
- SW / Lv51 - www.eperdeme.com/midgard/
[ This Message was edited by: SystemId on
2002-03-11 19:26 ]
Joined: Feb 07,
Not anymore apparently...
I'd just like to point out that
I'm already banned on ixga.com.
Joined: Feb 09,
ppl may have freedom of speech ,but ppl also have the right
not to listen to it ^_^