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NinjaFish
Lunatic

Joined: Feb 14, 2002
Posts: 13
Posted: 2002-02-28 17:23   
wow...looks like someone couldn't smell the sarcasm...

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On 2002-02-28 04:22, Snorks wrote:
Dude, if you aren't biased IN FAVOR of Microsoft then you need to wake up and get a clue.



that's funny. accept the fact that someone might purchase software based on what they like, rather than who made it, and live with it.

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And furthermore, I am NOT biased against Microsoft. I have used lots of their products and will in the future but every OS they put out is BUGGED TO HELL. If you can't accept that then you are living in Fairy Tale Land. Have you asked yourself WHY they don't put out more stable products with better tech support? I think it has something to do with being too busy raking it in hand over fist.



did i once suggest that MS is not in business to make money? no...in fact, i believe i said that MS is in business to make money. have you ever developed a piece of software on the same scale of windows? yes, it has loads of bugs, but it's to be expected. software engineers are people too, and they screw up like everyone else. it's to be expected. do you see a better alternative that will allow me to run all the software that i run now? neither do i.

the fact is that windows is getting better, and it is getting more stable. i say this as someone who deals with it on a daily basis. no, it's not perfect, and i never said it was, and it probably never will be. but it is getting better.

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And yes, another console system, just what the world needed. Oh wait, it didn't need one, that's why Microsoft put it's significant resources behind the Xbox and lost 50-150 bucks on each unit sold just so they could compete in YET ANOTHER market. Nah, they don't want to dominate anything do they? I guess they bought voting interests in Sun and Apple just to be "nice guys".



hey, wow, this is a surprisingly pointless argument. how come no one bitches when sony does the same thing? did you know that sony took a $170 loss per unit when the PS2 launched? did you know that sony is a monstrous mega-conglomerate in the consumer electronics industry that wants their grubby fingers in everything just like MS does? take a look at their future plans for PS2, if you want evidence. don't you think that sony launched the PS1 so that they could compete in YET ANOTHER MARKET? did you know people said the same crap about them before the PS1 showed up that they say about MS and xbox now? how come no one bitches about sony anymore? i guess it's only "cool" to complain about MS...

and no, the world didn't need another console. then again, your argument is lame: the world didn't need another console when the PS1 came around, either. then again, the world didn't need consoles in the first place. what the hell do you care if it's two consoles or three, or even four? oh, wait...you care because it's microsoft's console.

i don't care who makes the box, so long as the games are good. i'm not biased for MS, but i'm certainly not going to shun them just because they're MS. i choose what i purchase based on what i like, and if that happens to be a MS product, so be it. now, if you'll excuse me, i have to get back to JSRF.


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Makoto
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Joined: Feb 10, 2002
Posts: 117
From: England
Posted: 2002-02-28 20:07   
heh, when the PS1 first came out i didnt get one cos i was like 'a console from a walkman company?! wtf?!' but then they had tenchu and tekken2, and those games just ruled, so im fine with them now ^_^
i never said id NEVER get an Xbox, id just preffer to get a game cube then an Xbox, cos its nintendo and ive got an N64, and verious other reasons
anyway, im not saying im gonna not buy an Xbox just cos its microsoft, there just gonna have a harder time proving to me that its any good, just as sony had (except that sony sucseded with tekken 2 and deffinatly tenchu, tenchu just completly ruled ^_^)


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Niv
Orc Hero

Joined: Feb 07, 2002
Posts: 304
From: Israel
Posted: 2002-02-28 20:22   
Sasami, great job on this!
there is something i noticed,
when i collapse my main window and open it again, the exp from last monster is the sum of all exp i got from the time i collapsed it.
sorry if it was mentioned before.
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Sasami
Orc Hero L.2

Joined: Feb 08, 2002
Posts: 388
From: Jurai (Currently Okayama, Japan)
Posted: 2002-02-28 23:30   
It has been, I didn't feel it was an issue big enough to spend the time on. Unfortunatly assembly programming is very slow, and then fixing up the dynamic patching for when new patches come out takes even longer, so unless something big comes up I don't think i'm gonna fix it anymore, thanks for that info though. And stop the microsoft bashing ^_^ i didn't mean to turn it into that kind of thread, I was more making jest towards winxp hehe sorry

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Snorks
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Joined: Feb 09, 2002
Posts: 56
Posted: 2002-02-28 23:39   
Sorry man, but you are changing your argument midstream. I stated that Microsoft is evil, and I stand by that. Any business that throws shoddy products onto the market knowing that they have a monoply doesn't deserve the adulation that you are willing to heap upon it.

Personally, I don't think the Xbox is that great. But if you like it, buy it, buy the games, and enjoy. Whatever floats your boat. But really, it's not even a console, it's a hardware-standardized computer designed solely for games.


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NinjaFish
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Joined: Feb 14, 2002
Posts: 13
Posted: 2002-03-01 01:05   
Quote:

On 2002-02-28 23:39, Snorks wrote:
Sorry man, but you are changing your argument midstream. I stated that Microsoft is evil, and I stand by that. Any business that throws shoddy products onto the market knowing that they have a monoply doesn't deserve the adulation that you are willing to heap upon it.



what change in argument? what adulation? i'm just saying that i fnid their stuff (that i use) better than the alternatives, so i use it. there is no MS-worshipping going on here.

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Personally, I don't think the Xbox is that great. But if you like it, buy it, buy the games, and enjoy. Whatever floats your boat. But really, it's not even a console, it's a hardware-standardized computer designed solely for games.



again, a completely misled and misinformed statement. every console is a hardware-standardized computer designed solely for games. just because the xbox uses hardware that is derived from technology you'd find in a PC does not make it a PC.

in respect to sasami's thread, i'm not replying to these anymore.


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eVa
Chonchon

Joined: Feb 12, 2002
Posts: 44
From: California
Posted: 2002-03-01 01:24   
w00t ^^

thanks for your awesome program sasami!
loving it..


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Dreamless
Fabre

Joined: Feb 07, 2002
Posts: 23
Posted: 2002-03-02 02:47   
The site appears to be down...
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Sasami
Orc Hero L.2

Joined: Feb 08, 2002
Posts: 388
From: Jurai (Currently Okayama, Japan)
Posted: 2002-03-02 03:14   
Sorry, I was messing around with domains earlier, trying to help someone get their site past out school proxy, and I accidentally forgot to put the www portion up, and DNS on the internet gets updated once every 24 hours, so it should be back up soon.

[edit] back up

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Sasami
Orc Hero L.2

Joined: Feb 08, 2002
Posts: 388
From: Jurai (Currently Okayama, Japan)
Posted: 2002-03-02 21:28   
I felt it appropriate these last 2 posts of mine should be in this thread also, so I put them here too.

POST 1

I don't know what to say anymore. I've had many requests for at least one additional option *making it work in basic window collapsed mode* which would be quite easy. There are a lot of nice RO players out there I enjoy doing this kind of work for, but there are so many ass holes too, and I don't like doing them favors. I have changed my opinion on the autodealer and now think it's wrong, I saw this when people started using automated fighting scripts. I don't know what to say or think anymore. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for gravity to reset accounts because of $**t like this, but then again, people that have spent countless hours leveling their characters, like myself, and resetting them would be unfair. I think the best course of action would be to have a way for gravity to catch these scripts, make a log of everyone that uses it for about a week, then deletes all their characters and makes something so noone else can use them anymore, this way they would catch every perpatrator (if they did it all in a split instant, some people wouldn't be caught), but then again, I'm talking about gravity here, and I'm beggining to think they don't care much about what the players (or at least chaos players) think, or what happens to them. It does appear Christy is working hard and all, but has anything big really gotten done since she's started, has the game improved any in the few weeks or month or so she's been here? I don't think so. Back to the exp viewer, I am really unsure of wether or not I should
A) finish the last part and give it out, and waste my time helping to serve others when I have already spent countless hours doing this, and have never seen the same kind of generosity returned in the game, besides the occasional "thanks sasami" which i do appreciate.
B) just leave it as is.
C) delete it from the internet and stop distributing it.

I know it's not a bad thing at all like the automated stuff, it was an option they had had in alpha, that I still believe they will implement in beta or final at some point. But maybe the use of external programs overall is going the wrong way. I just... don't know what to think anymore.

[edit] sorry for the harsh language, i'm not in a particularly good mood.

POST 2

I feel the time is ripe. I am going going to quit RO for an indefinite ammount of time. Could be a week, could be a month, could be till final comes out. I don't know. Ragnarok used to put me in a better mood, now it puts me in a worse mood (usually). I was in the best of moods this morning, some good guy friends of mine are inviting me into their AD&D group, which i've been hoping for for years ^_^, I've been sitting back and relaxing at home alot, working on small projects, my job isn't even that bad, because I know i'm earning money for anime, which really makes me happy ^_^. Unfortunatly, a few hours of RO took the smile off of my face. Anyways, I am tired of the general RO community. Most people on these boards are cool, except the few soon to be gleekers, or already gleekers that come around. Well, people like that in general. But in RO it's different, looters, scammers, jerks, kill stealers, so many people running around that shouldn't be there. When I was talking this through with one of my best friends I've have had since 1st grade said the following to me.

"As I see it, the problem comes from one simple fact: The game is free. All the idiot children who do not have the money (or whose parents won't give them the money) to get into games like EQ, DAoC, etc, will go to RO.
Every time I hear about the terrible players on RO, it makes me think of the players on UO. It [UO] may actually have the greatest player community on the net, I think. (Go play it and you'll see what I'm talking about.) This is, I believe, because they have been playing forever, and are mature enough to spend their own money to play it.
Just wait until RO requires money to play. I guarantee that you will begin to see a drastic decline in users, and especially the moronic, children 1337 users."

This sums up my thoughts alot. I can't wait for final, it will ROCK. But until then I don't know if I can keep playing and raising my blood pressure ^_^. If anyone needs to reach me, you can ask "Makoto" also known as NightDreamer or MoonFyr. If you can't get through to him, I'm sure the mods can email me as a last resort, they have access to my email, because, of course, these are their boards. I have found mephisto a really great person, KuIpo too, but i don't know him well enough to judge. Anyways, thanks to all the nice good players out there that make the game fun. Thanks to pak0 for filling in ro-world's spot when watashiwa had the same situation as i, but took a bit of a different course of action ^_^... thanks to Makoto the most for always being there for me, for making the game enjoyable, for always cheering me up and putting a smile on my face (my in game fiancee I met on day 1 of beta if anyone doesn't know this.) I think that is everything. The exp viewer should work on any patch that comes out from now on, if not i will update it and make a 1 or 2 word post ^_^ (im sure someone will fnd a way to contact me if this happens.) Anyways, everyone have fun playing the game, and I hope some of the stuff thats happened to me doesn't happen to you also. Peace. Ja ne.


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Makoto
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Joined: Feb 10, 2002
Posts: 117
From: England
Posted: 2002-03-02 23:04   
*tear comes to my eye* thank you Sasami *hugs*, and I agree with your other friend, the fact that its free brings in some very immature people which spoil it for everyone else, that should change with Final tho

I wont be on rag as much for a bit either, im currently having trouble with a rather irratating bug that makes me crash out of ragnarok, I seem to crash, on avarage, once every 10-20 mins, tho it useually comes in bursts of about 5 crashes one after the other, then goes away for half an hour - an hour, only to rear its ugly head once more
I'll still visit these boards tho, see how the communities going

oh, and I'll still be in contact with Sasami, so, like she said, if I see somthing on here by one of you to say to her, I'll pass it on
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CykoKilla
Frog Roda

Joined: Feb 08, 2002
Posts: 66
Posted: 2002-03-03 15:07   
Makoto..those are serious symptoms of: WindowsInfestation! Get rid of your windows os quick before it spreads!!

LoL...microshaft winblows is known for its...problems...dont worry heh it happens to all of us =\ sorry bout ur comp


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Makoto
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Joined: Feb 10, 2002
Posts: 117
From: England
Posted: 2002-03-03 16:01   
i would normally agree with you, except that this didnt start happening till a week ago, and ive had this comp for 6 months, and it ONLY happens with ragnarok, and somtimes with IE, but not with anything else :/

EDIT: it hasnt happend with IE since i defraged my HD a couple of days ago
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Sasami
Orc Hero L.2

Joined: Feb 08, 2002
Posts: 388
From: Jurai (Currently Okayama, Japan)
Posted: 2002-03-04 05:53   
Someone contacted me and told me that it didn't work with the new patch. I looked and realized I had made one small mistake in the code, so that it assumed where the program ended and ram started was static, well, now it checks that dynamically too, and sure enough it does now work with all patches. The new version has been uploaded. bye.

Oh yeah, i no longer check the forums, so I wouldn't suggest asking me stuff here I am going to stop checking my private messages to now, i've left enough time for anyone that needed to ask any last minute questions.


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Ravi
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Joined: Feb 15, 2002
Posts: 24
Posted: 2002-03-04 13:08   
yaaaaaaaaaaaaay! thank you! *worships the ground under you*
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